?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Oh, Goblet of Fire. Your character botching and plot rewrites make me SO VERY SAD.

Okay, there are some things I like about this movie. For one, even though I complained about their need to conjure up a pair of scissors the first time I saw it, the long hair is preferable to the weedwhacker job done on Harry's head for Order of the Phoenix. In fact, upon second viewing, it's actually quite becoming on both him and Ron. And it's nice seeing the later movies, because the images I have stuck in my head are their first-year selves, which means that even when I'm reading the sixth book, I still see Ron as 11 years old, and Neville still looks like a namby-pamby babyface. This last one is especially too bad, because Neville rather rapidly shapes up into a good-looking kid, and I would like the character a lot more if I could keep that picture in mind while reading.

But overall, the list of bad things outweighs the good.

The Good
  • Karkaroff - AWESOME CASTING. Nearly as awesome as Snape and Sirius, as far as looking sinister
  • No mention of S.P.E.W.! At all! YAYZ.
  • Hermione waking up Harry and Ron. An excellent example of successful plot compaction. Ron's "bloody hell!" reaction is amusing, plus I get a minor bit of H/Hr glee.
  • Harry and Ron's fight upon the former being chosen for the tournament; that was much easier to see onscreen than through reading. Same for Ron and Hemione's squabbling over her dancing with Krum.
  • The Unforgivable Curses scene - very nicely acted by everyone. Also, "Draco, The Amazing Bouncing Ferret" is never not funny.
  • The scene in Snape's classroom - whacking Ron and Harry multiple times for talking in class, along with Fred asking Angelina to the ball. I don't even mind the canon-stomping of multiple years being in the same class together, because that last one is just so funny.
  • The graveyard set, perfectly spooky
Things That Make Me Weep
  • No actual Quidditch at the Quidditch World Cup
  • Harry's inappropriately amazed tone upon seeing the inside of the tents and going "I love magic!" Because he's apparently never seen its capabilities before.
  • I miss Percy
  • DOBBY! *sobs* Where is Dobby...or more to the point, where the hell is Winky? We could have had Winky without S.P.E.W., I promise! Thus leading to a completely different version of events at the World Cup, as well as Barty Crouch Jr's role. I would forgive these sorts of thing by reason of time restraints, but there's too much else that annoys me.
  • The Beauxbatons horses are supposed to be palomino, and they're NOT. I am perfectly aware that's nitpicky, but it bugs me. I don't mind them cutting out Rita being an Animagus (wait, yes I do...but I'm trying to be accomodating where I can), but the pure white horses are a no-no.
  • The casting of Mad-Eye Moody with blond hair, a decidedly non-wooden leg, and a magical eye (on the wrong side) that seems less magic and more bionic/mechanical in nature.
  • Rageaholic!Dumbledore (HARRY YOU STUPID LITTLE FOOL WHY DID YOUR NAME COME OUT OF THE GOBLET?! *rough shaking ensues*)
  • The dragon chasing Harry all around Hogwarts (WTF?) until it plummets to its death. I do not recall anything about harming (much less killing) the dragon in the task description...
  • Sirius' head face in the fireplace...I don't even have the words to describe how weirdly that was portrayed.
  • Dancing lessons for the Yuletide Ball - DON'T ADD POINTLESS SCENES AFTER CUTTING IMPORTANT ONES.
  • How the Yuletide Ball transforms, with the flick of a scene switch, from a dignified wizarding ball into a standard party complete with rock music. This requires fast-forwarding; it's irritating.
  • The Hedge Maze of Doom. Which apparently contained no obstacles whatsoever beyond some semi-menacing shrubbery and an ability to momentarily turn Harry into a starry-eyed glory hog.
  • The random and kind of awkward ending scene. It seemed very disjointed, like they were desperate to end on an uplifting note but not sure how to accomplish that after cutting out all mention of the prize money as well as the twins' plans for a joke shop...
Come to think of it, this is the first time in my life that I've felt a movie really richly DESERVED to be parodied, rather than a parody simply being written for fun.

Now, my rationale for seeing (or not seeing) the 5th movie:

Pros
  • Hermione, Ron and Harry are still excellently cast, despite the latter's haircut which was supposed to make him look more mature but instead makes him look like a 5-year-old who recently had an incident with bubble gum...whoops, I'm on PROS here. Okay, so, I like seeing scenes with them brought to life. Same goes for Fred and George, Ginny, all the Weasleys really. And Snape, and McGonagall, and Fudge, and the Dursleys if they show up...in short, anyone who was cast in the first movie.
  • The set pics for Number 12 Grimmauld Place look fantastic; I would love to finally be able to visualize walking through there, rather than the bland, generic rooms in my head.
  • One word: THESTRALS
  • I may not love the casting choice for Lupin, but...it's Lupin. As a real person, as opposed to the animated drawings in my head. That's kind of a big draw; plus there's always the bonus of him having new and different lines that aren't in the book, and more is always better.
  • Fred + George + Grandiose Firework-Laden Exit = cinematic gold
  • It's my favorite book...the good bits of the story could easily be so good that it's worth suffering the bad just to see the good bits on the screen. The fight at the Ministry, for example, I think could be quite fantastic.
Cons
  • This'll be the third movie of me sighing "I know Richard Harris is dead, but why can't Groovy New Dumbledore be Ian McKellen??" (If Tobey Maguire can play multiple superheroes... Edit: Well actually, apparently he can't.)
  • Moody is still worst casting ever.
  • Tonks looks nothing like any of the various ways I imagined, mostly because I'm 99% sure that Tonks is not Spanish. That is going to bother the hell out of me.
  • Speaking of improper looks, I cannot take Sirius and his long auburn curls seriously. I just can't.
  • And going back to bad casting, Imelda Staunton looks nothing at all like plump and toady Umbridge ought to look. There is nothing remotely repulsive about her and very little that seems overtly evil, which is sort of the whole point of Umbridge, I thought. BOO-URNS.
  • While I'm griping, I'm not thrilled about Luna, or Kingsley, or of Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix. I can't believe her in her roles anymore; she's always just Helena Bonham Carter pretending to be some character. And yes, these are each getting their own bullet point because they are individually potentially crippling to my enjoyment of the movie.
  • Harry/Cho kiss...*quietly retches in corner* Even though movie!Cho is a million times better than the image I previously had in my head, with an awesome Scottish accent, her quasi-relationship with Harry is still one of the most torturous things in the series.
  • I don't really want to sit through a subplot about Grawp, either. *prays it's been cut and rewritten like Dobby and Winky*
  • After GoF, I really hate the way they portray Voldemort in the films. I don't know why, I just picture his face being slightly more human and less...ghoulish. I really don't want the movie image to replace the one in my head, which often happens once I've seen the movies.
Final tally: 6 to 8 or 9 (depending on Grawp), in favor of not seeing it. Hm. Well, now that I've decided that...I think I'll see it after all. Why? Well, because despite having watched Lupin's scenes in PoA about 10 times apiece today, upon reading R/T fanfic I was quite pleased to realize that my original mental picture slid right back into place without any prompting at all. So perhaps the poor casting won't be a problem after all. (I know, I'll just pretend this one of Tonks' more ridiculous morphs...she's the one I have the biggest issue with) Anyway, I do need a fourth movie this year, and if I follow through on my plan to see Pirates again as well, it'll be all wrapped up.

Now my only question is when. I would like to see it before I read the book, because I doubt I'll have the patience for it after I do, but that gives me less than a two-week timeframe, and I'm afraid of the crowds in the first two weeks. I haven't forgotten the time we went to see one of the movies only to find it was sold out. Dilemmas, dilemmas.

=========
And now for more of the interview questions meme, this time from lessthangreat (who, by the way, I need to wish a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY!) and jeremybrettfan . If anyone else really wants me to keep spreading the meme by asking them five questions, feel free to comment and ask.

1. You have 24 hours to live, but you can't leave your house. What do you do?
Write letters to the most important people in my life, past and present. Otherwise, I'd just have my immediate family with me, and we'd probably look through photo albums and share familiar stories and the like. Oh, and of course, I'd make them all play board games with me to my heart's content. *nods*
2. What two things would you bring to a desert island with you?
Totally impractical things - a box of pens and my story binder. I might starve to death, but I'll be entertained until I do!
3. First book you ever read?
That was so many hundreds of books ago I can't answer with complete certainty, but Goodnight Moon by Margaret Wise was one of my childhood favorites, so I expect I read that myself pretty early on.
4. What's the best whole album you've ever bought/heard?
I'm pretty partial to Josh Groban's "Awake" ((bonus edition); I only skip 2 tracks out of 16. I can pretty much play Jewel's "This Way" on loop too.
5. Least favorite Jordin moment from AI this past season?
Oh, dear...I'm going to have to go with her attempt to look "rockstar" for Bon Jovi week. That was a pretty cringe-inducing image.

1. If you could have anyone play you in a movie of your life who would it be and why?
Ack, this is always a hard one. I don't know who I look like...I guess Amber Tamblyn; she's good at playing more innocent types of teenage girls.
2. Favourite sitcom?
Currently on air, "How I Met Your Mother." It never fails to make me laugh, Lily and Marshall are adorable, and it's very detail oriented in the way it slips in references to past episodes. Of all time, however, I'm going with "Seinfeld." No matter how many times I've seen an episode, and over the years I've seen them all several times, it's always fresh and funny, and I'll happily stop and watch whenever someone turns it on.
3. Best piece of fanfiction you've read?
That was a dangerous question. We could be here all day discussing the two dozen stories that just jumped to mind, all fighting with equal merit for the title of "best." But let me see if I can force myself to keep it at under half a dozen. Not too much explanation, because I've recced them all before (tags are your friends, especially tags that say "fic recs")

Novel-length: All Fall Down (by Wintertime) is the most riveting, most frightening, most thrilling CSI story ever written. I am so much in love with this mystery that it's printed out in book format, lovingly handsewn together, and only waiting for a set of covers until it's actually sitting on my shelf.

Oneshots:
One Easy Payment - Temet Nosce (NCIS *gargles incoherently* Word art. Prettiness overload; I'm not even kidding.)
Shatter - Puckk (CSI: Miami, and I frequently gaze at this and make little noises of jealousy that I didn't write it. I have great chunks of it memorized)
The Ten-Cent Adventure/The Only Living Boy in New York - Stellaluna (CSI: NY - I am nothing short of astounded by her ability to detail Mac and Stella's friendship, not only in the present, but in pre-show era, starting even before they met. It's clear as day, good as canon as far as I'm concerned, and if you watch the show but haven't yet read this, do so. You will suddenly see a whole new spectrum of colors.)
Ten Nonlinear Moves - Sequitur (NCIS - I can't help doing two for this fandom; this one is too good. Like the above, it's as good as canon for the interim between seasons 3 and 4, of how Tony evolved into the role of team leader, and like the show has both somber and totally hysterical moments.)
Whelp - AliciA (Pirates of the Caribbean - I cannot think of a way to improve this brief missing-scene from the first movie)

4. Scariest movie?
Well, when I was 10 I saw part of a made-for-TV movie based on Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery." Watching the townspeople stone the mother to death traumatized me for life; to this day I squirm thinking about it. But if we're talking real movies, the two that most freaked me out the first time I saw them were "The Haunting" and "Ghost Ship."
5. Best holiday you've ever been on? Why was it the best?
Mmmm...it's a tie between two:
1) My weeklong family road trip through South Dakota in 2000, where I got to see the Badlands and the Black Hills (including hiking up to some great viewpoints in parks), visit Wall Drug and see the 1880 Town - buildings and props (and the horse!) from "Dances With Wolves," stop in a cool old thrift store, and stay at a campground with horses, meaning I got to go trail riding twice. I think this is where my dream of eventually taking my own road trip was planted.

2) My 2004 band trip to New Orleans. 4 days spent with my favorite people in the world, the band kids, which included a lot of wandering on our own in the French Quarter, in between our scheduled events like Preservation Hall, visiting a plantation, a ghost walk, and of course our arguable reason behind the trip - performances at two local high schools and a nursing home. I've never had so much fun in my life, even if my best friend and I were a pair of goody two-shoes and actually followed the rule about "no being out of your own hotel room after 10 PM" and thus had to cut our card-playing fun with Chris and Josh short every night.


Also, from mouseykins1 is the idea that I don't feel I post enough (despite the calendar showing that I'm pretty good about daily entries, and sometimes twice-dailies), so..."give me a topic - fannish, political, religious, whatever - and I'll post about it. Maybe a sentence, maybe a paragraph, maybe a multi-part post"

Voice: Is "the most recent episode of Standoff" a topic option?
RS: No. And I get the hint, thank you. I'm working on it.

Comments

( 15 comments — Leave a comment )
poinsley
Jul. 2nd, 2007 01:52 pm (UTC)
No mention of S.P.E.W.! At all! YAYZ.

Seriously! I was soooo glad this got cut. It's one of the reasons that GoF is one of my least favorites (though CoS is tops (bottoms?) there)

I don't really want to sit through a subplot about Grawp, either. *prays it's been cut and rewritten like Dobby and Winky*

::fingers crossed that you're right::

Lupin and Luna are my favorite characters. I was a bit disappointed about the former's casting, and I'm wondering if the latter will fit the part. I really hope so.
rainbowstevie
Jul. 2nd, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
Judging from set pictures alone, I can't complain outright about Luna - hey, at least she's blonde - I just didn't get that sense of "ZOMG that's her! that I did with many other character; she's average. More ordinary than I expected, but then again, I guess she can act eccentric without *looking* that way. In fact, it's probably better that way. Look at that, you made me talk myself into upgrading Luna from "acceptable" to "good"!
lieueitak
Jul. 2nd, 2007 02:55 pm (UTC)
Thus leading to a completely different version of events at the World Cup, as well as Barty Crouch Jr's role. It wasn't that different. Just instead of casting the dark mark under an invisibility cloak, he did it out right, :-P With rage!Dumbledore, I think really the only person to blame is the screenwriter (whom I have a fair amount of hatred for, lol). Michael Gambon is a very talented actor, and you needn't look past his reaction to Crouch saying Harry would have to compete to see that. Seriously, it's heart breaking. I think the problem with the anger is, aside from the music played underneath the scene, that there's no build up to it.

About the haircuts -- personal preferences of long/short aside, I wish that it didn't look like everyone decided to get a haircut for OotP. Grawp is in OotP, but who knows the, err... size of his role. Especially given that Robbie Coltrane didn't want to return to the franchise, it's possible that the role is small.

After GoF, I really hate the way they portray Voldemort in the films. I don't know why, I just picture his face being slightly more human and less...ghoulish. It's interesting that you would say that because Voldemort in the movies is actually more human than the way JKR portrays him. The nose isn't as severe, and the books have him with red eyes. But red contacts weren't used because, apparently, it was hard to film Fiennes' eyes and register emotion with the contacts in. I don't think I realized, at first, that Voldemort was supposed to be so messed up looking. But I guess when you think about it, someone who likes to separate their own soul probably isn't going to be all that human. :-P

Yay for fic recs! :-D
rainbowstevie
Jul. 2nd, 2007 03:44 pm (UTC)
1. WHAT. Mr. Coltrane, what is this nonsense about not wanting to return to the series? You will speak no more of such atrocities. Depriving the viewers of one of the few excellent casting choices, honestly...

2. It wasn't that different. Just instead of casting the dark mark under an invisibility cloak, he did it out right
True. Actually, I was more annoyed with Harry collapsing in a deserted section of the campgrounds, with Crouch Jr. spookily advancing on him from the shadows. Memory of that part's fuzzy, but it seemed like a odd rewrite.

As for Voldemort, it's hard to explain how I see him, although I guess the face from the first movie comes closest. The way he is now, while I agree that someone who's split his soul should probably lookg a little messed up, his expressions don't particularly frighten me in this one. He reminds me less of a powerful evil villain and more like one of those numbskull henchmen that the evil villains send out by the dozens. But I'm not really sure how I'd remedy that. Ah, the frustration of thinking something doesn't look right without knowing why.
lieueitak
Jul. 2nd, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
1. His reasoning was that he didn't want to be type cast, something I don't see being a problem for the adults in the series.

2. Well, he didn't collapse so much. While running away, someone rammed right into him accidentally, and he fell. Then people trampled on him and he passed out. Which is pretty accurate when you think about how crowds normally behave in times of panic. I also don't think that Crouch Jr. was coming towards Harry -- more like, he was having his jollies and thought he saw something so was gonna check it out. And I think if they were gonna get rid of the elves, then this was a good alternative to that.

3. I think the problem with Voldemort up until GoF is that... well, we've really only seen him lose. :-P And "die" a bunch of times, LOL. Hopefully we'll get to see how badass he can really be in OotP. Though considering the rest of the adaptations in the series, I won't hold my breath.
rainbowstevie
Jul. 4th, 2007 01:59 am (UTC)
His reasoning was that he didn't want to be type cast
Because there are so many people out there looking to cast half-giants? *eyebrow arch*

As for the rest, um...*gives in* you win. Did anyone ever tell you you you'd make a great negotiator?
stunt_muppet
Jul. 2nd, 2007 03:53 pm (UTC)
whacking Ron and Harry multiple times for talking in class, along with Fred asking Angelina to the ball.

Favorite scene in the whole movie right there, with the possible exception of the graveyard scene.

No actual Quidditch at the Quidditch World Cup.

Yes. Boo on that. Boo. That was the entire reason I wanted to see the movie.

Thus leading to a completely different version of events at the World Cup, as well as Barty Crouch Jr's role.

Barty Crouch Jr. was actually what pissed me off the most about the Goblet of Fire movie. Now, I haven't seen any deleted scenes, so I don't know if they included this, but in the book, Bart Jr. is almost a sympathetic character, what with him begging for his life during his trial in the Pensieve. In the movie? Tongue-flicking psychopath. Not sympathetic at all. Thing is, David Tennant's a decent actor, and I think he could have handled the trial scene fine, but no. Bart Jr was completely wasted in the movie.

My doubts about Imelda Saunton playing Umbridge are overriden by the fact that it's Imelda Saunton. :) Who's playing Kingsley, though? I hadn't heard about him?

Also, I second lieueitak on both rage!Dumbledore (I'm actually as fond of Gambon as I am of Harris as Dumbledore, and Ian McKellan has become a bit too everpresent for my taste. Also, Tobey Maguire playing multiple superheroes? When? What?) and on Voldemort's face, which I thought worked for him. I was not a fan of how wierdly prissy he seemed in this movie, though.

I'm going to go see the movies anyway, though, whether I think I'll like them or not. I need to complete the series or I feel like it's a job I've left unfinished. Happens with every movie series, really. I'm only just now, with the Craptacular Sequel Summer, starting to break myself of that habit.
rainbowstevie
Jul. 2nd, 2007 04:17 pm (UTC)
Tongue-flicking psychopath.
YES - I forgot about that, or rather I must have blocked it from memory. Too weird. *pause as she connects name* Wait, David Tennant? Is that the guy from Dr. Who? (which I've never seen, mind, but...a whole lot of people on my flist rave about it on a regular basis; I'm jolted by the fact that I didn't recognize him)

Who's playing Kingsley, though?
I don't know his name, but his eyes bulge.
Voice: ...and?
RS: No and. That's all; I don't like his eyes.
V: Well, I can certainly see why the casting directors should be bowing down to YOUR whims. By the way, his name is George Harris.

Also, Tobey Maguire playing multiple superheroes?
Um. Well. See, for two years, up until ten seconds ago, I've been laboring under the delusion that he also played Superman. Apparently, this is untrue. This does not explain why I have a fixed image in my brain of him wearing a Superman costume in the classic flying pose, but nevertheless, it renders my comparison quite useless.
stunt_muppet
Jul. 2nd, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
Wait, David Tennant? Is that the guy from Dr. Who?

Certainly is. Granted, I haven't seen much of his series of Who, because my freaking campus doesn't have Sci-Fi Channel (where am I supposed to get my bad movies, then?), but I've seen enough to know that he could have handled the courtroom scene with some measure of dignity and drama.

But I still like Christopher Eccleston's season better.

By the way, his name is George Harris.

...You know, when I read that name, the first thing I thought of was the Beatle (even though he was George Harrison). And I thought, "Huh. Wasn't he dead?"

This does not explain why I have a fixed image in my brain of him wearing a Superman costume in the classic flying pose.

XD I can imagine that. (Although I find Brandon Routh slightly prettier than Tobey Maguire.)
sugah66
Jul. 2nd, 2007 04:15 pm (UTC)
The random and kind of awkward ending scene. It seemed very disjointed, like they were desperate to end on an uplifting note but not sure how to accomplish that after cutting out all mention of the prize money as well as the twins' plans for a joke shop...

You have no idea how many times I've ranted about this ending scene.

First of all, it is way too happy, considering that Cedric was just murdered and Voldemort has returned.

Second of all, it does not include anything about Fudge not believing that Voldemort has returned, which sets up the ENTIRE fifth book.

Third of all, what was with Hermione's cheesy, "Everything's going to change now, isn't it?" Um... DUH.
rainbowstevie
Jul. 4th, 2007 02:02 am (UTC)
Second of all, it does not include anything about Fudge not believing that Voldemort has returned, which sets up the ENTIRE fifth book.

OH! I knew there was some major point from the book that they should have used, but I couldn't think what it was. Now I feel silly. I always tend to remember things as happening later than they do; for some reason I wasn't connecting that book 5 was the start of the "Voldemort's back--" "NO HE ISN'T!" war.

Now I just have even more reasons to be bad at this movie...
jeremybrettfan
Jul. 2nd, 2007 05:00 pm (UTC)
Interview me please!
rainbowstevie
Jul. 2nd, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
This is like a game of tennis, volleying back and forth. :D

1. What got you started shipping Horatio/Calleigh?
2. Which country/region has the sexiest accents?
3. Best thing about going to university?
4. Name five features your dream home would include.
5. If a mysterious benefactor hired a personal assistant for you and paid their salaray to work for you full time, what would you have your assistant do?


jeremybrettfan
Jul. 2nd, 2007 06:08 pm (UTC)
DEUCE!!!

1. What got you started shipping Horatio/Calleigh?

You mean apart from the fact they're obviously in love with each other and want to have the cutest little DuCaine babies and Calleigh hates Jake's guts?? Well, I'll tell you straight. The final scene in 3.03 Under The Influence, which was the first episode I paid close attention to, made me go all warm and fuzzy inside and for the first time when wathcing a TV show, I wanted more than anything for two characters to hug, kiss or just plain do each other.

2. Which country/region has the sexiest accents?

I am of the opinion that any accent, except maybe very strong Glasweigan, can be made to sound sexy, depending on who is saying it. I mean, for example, you might not think that Texan would be the sexiest accent, but when Mattew McConoughey drawls it's like CHOCOLATE SEX. But secretly? I'm a sucker for the Irish And certain New York accents...

3. Best thing about going to university?

I'm moving forward in life.

4. Name five features your dream home would include.

A fucking big ass cinema screen to watch my fandoms on; a kickass view of Miami; a HUUUUUUUUUGE lawn; the comfiest chairs EVAR; a direct line to David Caruso.

5. If a mysterious benefactor hired a personal assistant for you and paid their salaray to work for you full time, what would you have your assistant do?

Oh, that'd depend on who it was, but probably keep my room neat and do my accounts for me...

lessthangreat
Jul. 2nd, 2007 08:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the birthday wishes!!! XD
( 15 comments — Leave a comment )

Latest Month

August 2019
S M T W T F S
    123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031

Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com
Designed by Tiffany Chow